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Jeff Ryan's avatar

I grew up with school prayer. Until 7th grade, when I went to prep school (this was Massachusetts). No school prayer there. Then, when I got deservedly bounced from prep school, I wound up in my hometown public high school, where they were still praying.

It was The Lord's Prayer, of course. I kept schtum, but what really bothered me was that they did it despite the presence of one Jewish girl in the class. I doubt she was traumatized, but the obvious exclusionary effect ticked me off.

I don't care what others believe. I respect those I know to be sincere in their faith, and I have no illusions that I know something they don't. But let's keep government out of it.

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Ellie Alive In 25's avatar

They just can't help bearing false witness, can they? Even when they are faced with Giant Cheat Sheets (or Roy Moore's rock) of the "big 10," because they are unable to write them on their hears, as Scripture adjures. They really should cross off that particular Commandment, since they think it was really just a mild suggestion.

I've been reading that bilge about Franklin's prayer for as long as the Internet has been in my household (1996). I'm sure it was around before that, but I hadn't seen it. The Liars For Jesus will keep lying until Judgement Day, and then tell the King, "But we did it for you."

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Kid Fifty's avatar

I think the reason that you worry about non-stories like this is that you inhabit an academic world where not too much bad happens. You live in a low-crime area and you clutch your pearls when a religious person gets a little too fervent for your taste in public.

Bringing up the 5 pillars of Islam is sort of laughable. Our legal system is based on morality found in the 10 Commandments, not in credal documents of Islam, Christianity or any other religion. Every sensible educated American knows this. I myself would not have a problem with Surah Al-Isra 23-39 being posted (in English, not Arabic) but of course it's virtually redundant with the decalogue.

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Bruce's avatar

I for one would support the Flushing Remonstrance be posted in every classroom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flushing_Remonstrance). 1657 is pretty early in American history, it is explicitly Christian in character, and demands complete Religious Freedom.

“The law of love, peace and liberty in the states extending to Jews, Turks and Egyptians, as they are considered sons of Adam, which is the glory of the outward state of Holland, soe love, peace and liberty, extending to all in Christ Jesus, condemns hatred, war and bondage. And because our Saviour sayeth it is impossible but that offences will come, but woe unto him by whom they cometh, our desire is not to offend one of his little ones, in whatsoever form, name or title hee appears in, whether Presbyterian, Independent, Baptist or Quaker, but shall be glad to see anything of God in any of them, desiring to doe unto all men as we desire all men should doe unto us, which is the true law both of Church and State; for our Saviour sayeth this is the law and the prophets.”

Or in the words of this Atheist Ashkenazi Friend: “Suck on those words you wicked sophists who misread your own scripture. Jesus was a *Jew* working in the religious tradition I was raised in and I recognized his critiques of his fellow Pharisees far better than you.”

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Kid Fifty's avatar

There truly is nothing lovelier than an atheist Jew. Only liberals seem to hold them in high regard while even their faithful co-religionists privately apologize for their alabandical pontifications about Christianity.

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